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98 Percent Of All Domestically Eradicated Marijuana Is "Ditchweed," DEA Admits
CN Source: NORML's Weekly News Bulletin -- September 7, 2006
Washington, DC: More than 98 percent of all of the marijuana plants seized by law enforcement in the United States is feral hemp not cultivated cannabis, according to newly released data by the Drug Enforcement Administration's (DEA) Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program and the Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics.
According to the data, available online at: albany.edu/sourcebook/pdf/t4382005.pdf of the estimated 223 million marijuana plants destroyed by law enforcement in 2005, approximately 219 million were classified as "ditchweed," a term the agency uses to define "wild, scattered marijuana plants [with] no evidence of planting, fertilizing, or tending." Unlike cultivated marijuana, feral hemp contains virtually no detectable levels of THC, the psychoactive component in cannabis, and does not contribute to the black market marijuana trade.
Previous DEA reports have indicated that between 98 and 99 percent of all the marijuana plants eradicated by US law enforcement is ditchweed.
NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre criticized the DEA program for spending millions of taxpayers' dollars to predominantly eradicate wild hemp. "The irony, of course, is that industrial hemp is grown legally throughout most the Western world as a commercial crop for its fiber content," he said. "Yet the US government is spending taxpayers' money to target and eradicate this same agricultural commodity."
According to a 2005 Congressional Research Service report, "The United States is the only developed nation in which industrial hemp is not an established crop."
St. Pierre said that most of the hemp plants eradicated by law enforcement are remnants of US-government subsidized crops that existed prior to World War II. "Virtually all wild hemp goes unharvested and presents no legitimate threat to public safety," he said. "As such, it should be of no concern to the federal government or law enforcement."
According to DEA figures, Indiana reported seizing over 212 million ditchweed plants - far more than any other state. Missouri law enforcement confiscated some 4.5 million plants, and Kansas reported eradicating approximately 1.2 million plants. More than half of all states failed to report their ditchweed totals.
California led all 50 states in the number of cultivated cannabis plants eradicated in 2005, with the DEA reporting that more than 2 million plants had been destroyed.
The Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program is a joint federal and state effort funded, in part, by the DEA.
STATE LEADERS: DITCHWEED ERADICATED (2005)
Indiana (212,441,768 plants confiscated)
Missouri (4,529,695 plants confiscated)
Kansas (1,177,976 plants confiscated)
Wisconsin (272,650 plants confiscated)
Oklahoma (100,736 plants confiscated)
STATE LEADERS: CULTIVATED CANNABIS** ERADICATED (2005)
California (2,011,277 plants confiscated)
Kentucky (510,502 plants confiscated)
Tennessee (440,362 plants confiscated)
Hawaii (255,113 plants eradicated)
Washington (136,165 plants confiscated)
**DEA footnote: "May include 'tended' ditchweed."
For more information, please contact NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre or NORML Senior Policy Analyst Paul Armentano at (202) 483-5500 * DL
GAO: $1 Bil.+ Anti-Drug Effort Ineffective
A Government Accountability Office probe of the White House's anti-drug media campaign has found that the $1 billion-plus spent on the effort so far has not been effective in reducing teen drug use. The report recommends that Congress limit funding until the Office of National Drug Control Policy "provides credible evidence of a media campaign approach that effectively prevents and curtails youth drug use."
White House Sends Money To Fight Pot Growing
The White House is sending money and some momentary manpower to reinforce the fight against California marijuana growers. When national drug czar John Walters lands in Fresno on Tuesday, he'll be bringing a commitment of an additional $2.2 million in law enforcement funding. The money will include $100,000 grants for Fresno, Tulare and Kern counties, as well as more support for a coordinated anti-pot campaign.
Spraying Ditchweed Could Devastate Midwest Game Bird Populations
Outdoor Life, June 1971 p.53
Midwest game has gone to "pot"—for both cover and food. Problem: spraying could devastate game populations. The pot that the game is going to is marijuana or wild hemp, often called "pot" by its high-flying advocates. It grows as a weed in many Midwestern States. Nine out of 10 hunters probably couldn’t care less whether marijuana lives or dies. However, marijuana is one of the Midwest’s most valuable cover plants for upland game, and some of the proposals for eradicating it could have terribly damaging effect on all other upland-game cover. And cover is the name of the hunting game. No cover means no game and no hunting.
Audubon Magazine - Legalize It!
Annual Ditchweed Eradication Boondoggle Underway Again
"It is important to examine carefully how much of the marijuana eradicated in the US is essentially worthless ditchweed," wrote Clayton. "The answer is 95%." Clayton's research is not the only to pan the DEA's eradication efforts, nor the most damning. A 1998 report by the Vermont State Auditor placed the proportion of ditchweed in DEA's marijuana eradication program even higher, at 99.28%
Ditchweed Update: DEA Numbers
Mon$anto'$ WoD on Ditchweed
Often, authorities said,
it is used as "cut" or added to higher grade marijuana to increase the yield.
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I have a question about the so-called ditchweed. The question relates to climate and potency.
Cannabis grows wild in the upper mid-west. In the western Great Lakes region it is quite common, average hieght is about 30 inches. THC content is very low, I don't know the percentage. 0.01 % maybe
Cannabis grows wild throughout the world. In warmer climates like India or Mexico the THC content is higher.
If someone took a wild cannabis plant growing in a cold climate like Minnesota and tansplanted it to a warm climate like Mexico would the THC content increase within a few generations (cannabis being an annual) of plant growth ?
If anyone knows the answer could you please back it up with some data. Information can be recent or from long time ago, like 1800s.
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| rv wrote: | I have a question about the so-called ditchweed. The question relates to climate and potency.
Cannabis grows wild in the upper mid-west. In the western Great Lakes region it is quite common, average hieght is about 30 inches. THC content is very low, I don't know the percentage. 0.01 % maybe |
I think most assume cannabis was imported to the US, originally it came from Afghanistan. Most of the US cannabis was from Russia or other parts of Europe. The wild ditchweed was thought to be left from the "Hemp for Victory" campaign to grow hemp for the World War II effort. Though there is the story of Thomas Jefferson smuggling Ganja seeds from China. And of Washington separating the plants, too late. Others make the claim of Ganja entering with sailors and slaves into Storyville and New Orleans, and then later with the Mexicans to mainly denigrate Poncho Villa by Hearst and the other American fascist supporters. And to stigmatize jazz and swing music and curtail uppityness and insolence caused by Ganja. Not much about Indians using before Columbus.
Hemp Species
Wild hemp (C. spontanea), according to Sisov and Serebrjakova’s classification system, is a subspecies found mainly in central Asia and in the Volga and Ural regions of Russia. It can also be found in Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary but does not grow wild in countries west of Hungary. The plants are short with many branches and produces small seeds. Since wild hemp flowers irregularly, it is possible for it to flower simultaneously with cultivated hemp and since both interbreed easily. The result can be a biological degradation of the cultivated variety. Stalks are no taller than three feet with an usually large number of branches. Varieties with a longer stalk that occur spontaneously are not wild hemp but rather cultivated plants growing wild.
There are over 400 different varieties of hemp recorded by the Vavilov Institute in St. Petersburg, Russia, that are used for the production of both fiber and seed.
The official botanical designation for true hemp is as follows:
* division -- Magnoliophyta (flowering plants or angiosperms)
* class -- Magnoliopsida
* order -- Urticales
* family -- Cannabinaceae
* genus -- Cannabis
* species -- sativa
Although its closest relative is the hops plant, because of morphological and anatomical similarities, hemp was once classified in the mulberry family (Moroaceae). Later, it was classified in the nettle family (Urticaceae).
Many modern botanists classify the genus Cannabis as having only one species, sativa, with varieties consisting of indica (Indian hemp – with a subvariation called Gigantea or giant hemp), ruderalis (wild hemp), and vulgaris (cultivated hemp). However, most food and fiber comes from C. sativa.
Unless your talking about seedlings it doesn't sound like 15-20 ft. US hemp. Maybe dry baron land would stump its growth. Although there is a Russian strain called ruderalis I believe. It grows in a vine like manner. Then again there have also been many plants named hemp, that have no kin to cannabis.
Although Cannabis sativa is the original and true hemp, there are other similar fibrous plants that are using the generic word “hemp”. These include:
* Bastard hemp or false hemp (Datisca cannabina)
* Bowstring hemp (any of about 60 tropical African and Asian Agave-related plants of the genus Sansevieria, including African hemp [Sansevieria guineensis])
* Canada hemp (Apocynum cannabinum) -- a species of dogbane
* Deccan hemp (Hibiscus cannabinus)
* Hemp agrimony (Eupatorium cannabinum)
* Hemp nettle (Galeopsis tetrahit)
* Indian hemp or, more commonly, jute (Corchorus capsularis – which is not to be confused with Cannabis indica, also known as Indian hemp)
* Manila hemp, or, more commonly, Abaca (Musa textilis)
* Mauritius hemp (Furcraea foetida)
* New Zealand hemp (Phormium tenax)
* Sisal hemp, or, more commonly, Henequen (Agave fourcroydes and A. sisalana)
* Sunn hemp (Erotolaria juncea)
* Sunnhemp (Crotalaria juncea)
* Water hemp (Acnida cannabina)
| rv wrote: | Cannabis grows wild throughout the world. In warmer climates like India or Mexico the THC content is higher.
If someone took a wild cannabis plant growing in a cold climate like Minnesota and tansplanted it to a warm climate like Mexico would the THC content increase within a few generations (cannabis being an annual) of plant growth ?
If anyone knows the answer could you please back it up with some data. Information can be recent or from long time ago, like 1800s.
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I'd venture to say it depends on the strain and potency of the parent plant. Warmer climates would seem to allow the plant to mature to its fullest potential, and therefore give more potency pound for pound than the same plant grown in worse climate conditions. But increasing the full potential might take many generations or even cross breading with naturally higher strains. I don't think a person could change the potency from hemp to Ganja in one human lifetime.
How Marijuana Works by Kevin Bonsor
Typical THC levels, which determines marijuana potency, range from 0.3 to 4 percent. However, some specially grown plants can contain THC levels as high as 15 percent. Several factors are involved in determining the potency of a marijuana plant, including:
* Growing climate and conditions
* Plant genetics
* Harvesting and processing
The time at which the plant is harvested affects the level of THC. Additionally, female varieties have higher levels of THC than male varieties. As a cannabis plant matures, its chemical composition changes. During early development, cannabidiolic acid is the most prevalent chemical. Later, cannabidiolic acid is converted to cannabidiol, which is later converted to THC when the plant reaches its floral maturation.
Two schools of thought I've heard are... Nature made hemp, then humans made Ganja kynd buds, over many generations of separating the male plants, preventing pollination. And by grooming to provide more buds. Other growing techniques, but all of humans. Or they are "cousins" but separate from their origins. Different climates around the globe, various prohibitions throughout the ages. All had a part in the present day Ganja and hemp quality. Ganja also has the ability to hermorphidite into males just when you think you had them rooted out. Pollinate the crop and lower $400.00 an ounce kynd into $200.00 schwag. It's not easy fooling mother nature. Plus the risk Ganja growers take doing their public service for the community. So Be Nice to Your Local Grower!
The ditchweed hemp can not get you high anymore than cultivated hemp. But plant for plant it does raise statistics for the DEAth. THC in Ganja isn't accumulative as with booze. You can't get any higher than the plant lets you get, no matter how much you smoke. The only way to get higher is to smoke better pot, not more of the same schwag. So even high THC grade hemp isn't viable for smoking. Let alone trace amounts. And smoking a truckload of hemp will get the same zero buzz as a joint. Unless you like headaches and lung problems, don't smoke hemp! The only reason hemp is outlawed... is because of Washington lobbyists making fortunes on the synthetic competition for International corporations. And the politicians, including the copshops raking in the big bucks "enforcing" bogus laws and then "treating" the outlaws for taxable income profit.
Hemp is grown close together to provide greater yield per acre, more fiber for clothing, paper, plastic and wood products and seeds for nutrition or lubrication. Hemp grows 15 - 20 ft. tall, while Ganja is groomed into a bush. Some Sativa street ganja might be taller if unattended. And it will breed with hemp and the other cousin, hops. Not for quality smoke though. Hemp crops are not friends of Ganja growers for that reason. Therefore the argument cops can't tell the difference, must employ Barney Fifes, and the greater question might be whether these inept public servants should have loaded guns or given one bullet kept in the shirt pocket. Politics lumps it all together into the racist derogatory "M" word.
The only people mixing hemp leaves and shake with Ganja are low life's, and only because of prohibitions hurdles in obtaining quality Ganja, conveniently. Forcing inexperienced users onto the street. There is the stepping stone/gateway to other drugs and other criminal activity. Not in the Ganja.
The only medicinal part of the Ganja plant is the flower "buds", not leaves and stems and seeds. That is street dope, trash is added for weight without regards of health to the user anymore than DEAth spraying paraquat in the 80's. So in a normal setting, as with many other potentially harmful products. Ganja is safe recreationally or medicinally. It's danger lies totally with prohibition. Including the forced ignorance and lack of education do to censored school books.
Ganja/hemp lnfolinx
Clones can reproduce similar strains qualities, and then matched to various medical symptoms for consistency. WAMM was categorizing strains and matching them to patients, starting with trial and error and patient feedback. So the patients could receive similar strains month after month. Til the DEAth raids clear-cut everything into mulch. But it has to be in the Ganja stage. The only smoking hemp is for candle wicks. It has been stated hemp is actually different DNA.
The flowers, in laymen's terms, either get pollinated and produce seeds or isolated and produce more THC resin. The strength level of THC is determined by the plant, not quantity, quality. Continuous separation each generation will produce more potent pot. Along with soil, temperature and moisture conditions. Asian strains tend to be more potent. Some more thought provoking, some more relaxing. Some claim a separate Indica plant was developed from Sativa in the 70's, some say it's still all Sativa, just a different strain producing more bushy sticky bud plants. In any logical sense, no one would produce Ganja's short stalks for fiber or Hemps low THC for smoking. Regardless of historical origins, Hemp in every sense of the word is not Ganja and Ganja is not Hemp. Except in politics.
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Public Testimony of NORML
Opposing U.S. Government's Domestic Hemp Eradication Program
The NORML Foundation strongly opposes the "aerial directed spraying" of herbicides from low flying aircraft for the purpose of eliminating wild growing marijuana plots. After evaluating the Drug Enforcement Administration's Domestic Cannabis Eradication Suppression Program (DCE/SP), we find it misguided, overly burdensome on taxpayers, counterproductive, and potentially harmful to the health and safety of residents and the environment.
MarijuanaNews.Com by Dick Cowan
Freedom has nothing to fear from the truth
Testimony Of NORML Director of Publications On DEA Ditchweed Eradication Program; Outstanding Report!
(Ed. note: This report makes very clear that the war on ditchweed has nothing to do with the marijuana supply. I think that it has two real purposes. First, it broadens the constituency for marijuana prohibition by creating extensive vested interests in it in the military, especially the National Guard, as well as in rural law enforcement. In fact, these two overlap dangerously.
INDUSTRIAL HEMP FARMING: HISTORY AND PRACTICE
Part 1 A HISTORICAL SKETCH OF HEMP FARMING AND INDUSTRY
Audubon Magazine - Legalize It!
If the war on drugs were really about reducing supply, drug controllers would be promoting hemp. But the war has taken on a life of its own, become an industry unto itself. For example, Congress gives the DEA half a billion dollars a year to eradicate marijuana. But according to the DEA's own figures, 98 percent of the "marijuana" eradicated by its agents or the police departments and National Guard units it hires is hemp-the harmless, feral stuff that escaped during Hemp for Victory days. "Ditchweed," it's called. That's the "marijuana" you see getting burned in all the photos. If you're caught with ditchweed, you're in big trouble, as Vernon McElroy, 50, discovered in 1991 when he got convicted for possessing 10.9 pounds that he says a friend had picked and given him as a joke. Now he's doing life without parole at the overcrowded maximum-security penitentiary in Springville, Alabama. In Oklahoma, ditchweed is even sprayed with herbicides from helicopters. And last year Congress authorized $23 million for research into a soil-borne fungus that attacks and kills marijuana, poppy, and coca plants. Mike DeWine (R-OH) calls it a "silver bullet" in the war on drugs, but David Struhs, secretary of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, calls it a threat to the "natural environment.".
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props to the politicians fighting the war on drugs... for keeping ditchweed out of the lungs of our children. fa shizzle.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Billions of Wild Drug-Free Hemp Plants Eradicated |
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Billions of Wild Drug-Free Hemp Plants Eradicated
CN Source: PRNewswire December 26, 2006 Washington, DC
According to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's (DEA) data it has funded the destruction of 4.7 billion non-psychoactive industrial hemp plants also called "ditchweed" since 1984.
This massive annual eradication effort stands in sharp contrast to farmers across the globe that continue to legally produce industrial hemp for export to the United States.
According to data collected by the DEA's Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program (DCE/SP) 218.6 million ditchweed plants were eradicated in 2005 versus only 4.2 million marijuana plants nationwide.
This means that 98.1% of all cannabis plants eradicated in 2005 were actually the non-drug variety of cannabis otherwise known as industrial hemp. Although the ditchweed is primarily being eradicated in mid-western states where it was once grown to support WW II efforts with the encouragement of the government, these plants would have little or no psychoactive effect on people who might smoke them because they contain very low levels of THC, the drug component in marijuana.
Furthermore, George Weiblen, a researcher at the University of Minnesota showed that marijuana and industrial hemp have distinct and non- overlapping DNA fingerprints. He published his findings in the March 2006 issue (volume 51, No. 2) of the Journal of Forensic Science.
The massive ditchweed eradication has cost federal and state governments at least $175 million since 1984, the earliest year data is available on ditchweed. DEA spent $11 Million in 2005 on DCE/SP grants to state police alone.
"It's Orwellian that the biggest target of the DEA's Eradication Program is actually not a drug but instead a useful plant for everything from food, clothing and even auto parts and currently must be imported to supply a $270 million industry," says Eric Steenstra, President of Vote Hemp. "While Vote Hemp has urged the DEA to recognize the difference between hemp and marijuana so farmers could grow it here, the federal agency is spending millions of dollars to destroy hundreds of millions of harmless hemp plants."
How the DEA collects their own data on ditchweed, which is sometimes referred to as feral hemp is puzzling because officials at the DEA regularly state there is no difference between hemp and marijuana. Nevertheless, their own statistics clearly differentiate between ditchweed and "cultivated marijuana" plants that are destroyed. Other questions loom over exactly what is happening to all these plants once they are eradicated.
"Much of the ditchweed eradicated is believed to be burned, turning a carbon consuming plant into a contributor of Greenhouse gasses," says Tom Murphy, Vote Hemp National Outreach Coordinator. "For all the effort to find and destroy these harmless wild hemp plants they are coming back year after year. It is likely that the eradication programs help re-seed the locations were "ditchweed" is found. The late summer timing and removal method causes countless ripe seeds to fall to the ground where they will sprout again the following year."
A nationwide leader, Indiana has eradicated, on average, 65 million wild hemp plants per year from 1984 through 2005, compared to the eradication of 114,699 cultivated marijuana plants annually in the same time period. Marijuana eradication requires that state police work overtime during the summer and required nearly 31,000 hours of officer's time in each of 2003 and 2004, for example, and accounted for 8.9% of the criminal related hours for the state police during those years.
Ironically, FlexForm, an Indiana manufacturer whose hemp-content materials are found in an estimated 3 million vehicles in North America today uses approximately 250,000 pounds of hemp fiber per year must import industrial hemp from Canada and Europe. The company says industrial hemp could easily take a greater share of the 4 million pounds of natural fiber it uses yearly, as "hemp fiber possesses physical properties beneficial to our natural fiber based composites." In addition, FlexForm says it would "gladly expand our domestic purchases."
"The potential value of legal industrial hemp in rural economic development should be targeted for investment by the Department of Agriculture," says Dr. Jon Gettman, a researcher in Public Policy and author of a new comprehensive report that highlighted that marijuana valued at $35.8 billion is America's number one cash crop. "The multiple uses of industrial hemp in manufacturing and product innovation worldwide are consistent with current US agricultural policies and a natural fit into many local economies around the nation."
Numerous states are working to allow farmers to grow industrial hemp. Starting in January North Dakota will accept applications from farmers to grow hemp. The race is on to bring the crop back due to increasing evidence hemp foods are becoming very popular. Sales of hemp foods in 2004/2005 grew by 50% over the previous 12-month period. U.S. retail sales of hemp products are estimated to now be $250 to $300 million per year. European farmers now grow more than 40,000 acres and Canadian farmers grew more than 50,000 acres in 2006.
Complete Title: Billions of Wild Drug-Free Hemp Plants Eradicated by DEA in Effort to Confiscate Cultivated Marijuana Since 1984, Says Vote Hemp
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| rv wrote: | I have a question about the so-called ditchweed. The question relates to climate and potency.
Cannabis grows wild in the upper mid-west. In the western Great Lakes region it is quite common, average hieght is about 30 inches. THC content is very low, I don't know the percentage. 0.01 % maybe
Cannabis grows wild throughout the world. In warmer climates like India or Mexico the THC content is higher.
If someone took a wild cannabis plant growing in a cold climate like Minnesota and tansplanted it to a warm climate like Mexico would the THC content increase within a few generations (cannabis being an annual) of plant growth?
If anyone knows the answer could you please back it up with some data. Information can be recent or from long time ago, like 1800s.
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The wild ditchweed was thought to be left from the "Hemp for Victory" campaign to grow hemp for the World War II effort.
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In the "Hemp for Victory" film the government made during WW II they show a "Wisconsin farmer" harvesting hemp. However, the cannabis plant was growing there before that. The following link is from the Wisconsin Herbarium, part of the University of Wisconsin system, that deals with the science of botany. This is a record of over 100 cannabis plants found and recorded by botanist's in Wisconsin. The earliest "recorded" cannabis plant is from the 1880s, and there are several other recorded finds prior to 1942. These are recorded at the Wisconsin State Herbarium
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I don't think a person could change the potency from hemp to Ganja in one human lifetime.
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How do you know this? By that I mean, how do you know whether or not the THC content will increase in a wild cannabis plant growing in a cold climate if it were moved to a warmer climate? And "if" THC content is, at least partly, related to climate, how many "generations of plant growth" would it take? Is there a recorded plant experiment that has ever been done to confirm this? If so, where?
Framing the question another way: If someone went to, say, India, a warm climate, where cannabis grows wild, and also has a higher THC content, and took "those plants" and moved them to, say, Russia, a cold climate, would the THC content then "decrease"?
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Hemp in every sense of the word is not Ganja and Ganja is not Hemp.
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Isn't that just a word play? Saying Ganja is not Hemp is like saying Wine is not Vino. What language are we speaking? Isn't Ganja simply the Hindi word for Cannabis, and Hemp the English word? Marijuana is Mexican Spanish. Those are just differant words for the same plant, right?
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Dude you really need to learn BBCode or use Tiny URL and stop fucking up the threads...
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Nice site, but it doesn't change a thing. I don't think anyone claimed the Hemp for Victory was the original or only source. Just the majority of todays eradications. Bunk fraud flim flam, call it what you will. Ganja is Ganja Hemp is Hemp, Most of the eradications are 99% ditchweed nonpsychoactive hemp, probably mostly from the Hemp for Victory tour. Not Ganja. At no time was Ganja ever grown in open fields as far as I know. It would cross pollinate, lowering the thc. I did hear Jefferson had some kyndbud from China smuggled in and tried planting them. And the Washington episode of removing the males too late, some state that could be for greater seed yield but most believe he was trying to increase the thc. So at no time has hemp ever been taken to warmer climates and turned into Ganja, as far as I know.
American High Society
The extent of cannabis smoking during the Colonial era is still subject to debate. President George Washington wrote a letter that contained an oblique reference to what may have been hashish. "The artificial preparation of hemp, from Silesia, is really a curiosity." 38 Washington made specific written references to Indian hemp, or cannabis indica, and hoped to "have disseminated the seed to others. " 39 His August 7, 1765 diary entry, "began to separate the male from the female (hemp) plants," describes a harvesting technique favored to enhance the potency of smoking cannabis, among other reasons. 40 Hemp farmer Thomas Jefferson and paper maker Ben Franklin were ambassadors to France during the initial surge of the hashish vogue. Their celebrity status and progressive revolutionary image afforded them ample opportunities to try new experiences. Jefferson smuggled Chinese hemp seeds to America and is credited with the phrase in the Declaration of Independence, "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
Did the Founding Fathers of the United States of America smoke cannabis? Some researchers think so. Dr. Burke, president of the American Historical Reference Society and a consultant for the Smithsonian Institute, counted seven early presidents as cannabis smokers: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor and Franklin Pierce. 41 "Early letters from our founding fathers refer to the pleasures of hemp smoking," said Burke. Pierce, Taylor and Jackson, all military men, smoked it with their troops. Cannabis was twice as popular among American soldiers in the Mexican War as in Vietnam: Pierce wrote to his family that it was "about the only good thing" about that war.
Central and Western African natives were farming and harvesting cannabis sativa in North America as slaves. If they did smoke on the plantations, that would be kept secret. 42 By the time of the Louisiana purchase in 1803, New Orleans had a mixed Spanish, French, Creole, Cajun, Mexican and Black population. The city teemed with adventurers and sailors, wise to the ways of cannabis. It was mixed with tobacco or smoked alone, used to season food 43, to treat insomnia and impotence, and so on.
Cannabis was mentioned as a medicinal agent in a formal American medical text as early as 1843. 44
| Quote: | DdC wrote:
I don't think a person could change the potency from hemp to Ganja in one human lifetime.
How do you know this? ... content then "decrease"? |
DNA Technique Separates Hemp from Marijuana
Using new DNA "fingerprinting" techniques, two University of Minnesota researchers have become the first to unequivocally separate hemp plants from marijuana plants with genetic markers. Hemp, a crop grown for durable fiber and nutritious seed, and marijuana, the most abundant illegal drug of abuse in the United States, both belong to the species Cannabis sativa. They differ in levels of the psychoactive drug tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) but are otherwise difficult to tell apart. The technique holds promise for distinguishing different cultivars (domesticated plant lines) in U.S. criminal cases. It may also prove useful in countries where the cultivation of hemp is permitted but marijuana is illegal, as in Canada and Europe. The work appears in the March issue (volume 51, No. 2) of the Journal of Forensic Science.
| Quote: | DdC wrote:
Hemp in every sense of the word is not Ganja and Ganja is not Hemp.
Isn't that just a word play? Saying Ganja is not Hemp is like saying Wine is not Vino. |
Homey don't play word games. There are about a dozen different "hemp" plants or so called hemp plants. many or most not even related to Ganja. Cannbis sativa L is a cousin the same as hops. You can cross bread them but not for kynd bud.
| Quote: | | What language are we speaking? Isn't Ganja simply the Hindi word for Cannabis, and Hemp the English word? Marijuana is Mexican Spanish. Those are just differant words for the same plant, right? |
Cannabis is Latin Ganja is derived from India, the Ganges River and the "M" word is a derogitory racist term worse than the "N" word. Only used in yellow journalism to degrade and stigmatize the Ganja plant. Hemp just got caught in the mix though most would concede it was part of the plan all along. To remove competition. To take a hemp plant and separate it from being pollinated for more thc and less nutrition. It would take a lifetime to get todays primo pot. If it was even possible. No one I know of has ever done it.
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My grandma is growing hemp in her back yard. She makes some tasty pies out of the hemp seed. This plant has no similar effect to marijuana. It has only a very strange unique taste.
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While nationwide the "marijuana seized" may be ditchweed, here in the west ditchweed is very rare (altho' while working for Conde I've heard tell that there are hemp for victory plants growing wild in the lowlands of the west Willamette Valley). WA, CA and OR have high seizure rates and its all cultivated.
That and using the DEA's own numbers against them is a swell and numerically clear way of pointing out how failed their war on pot is. |
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